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Google PageRank Deductions

There's a great deal of discussion going on this month about recent deductions Google has made to Toolbar PageRank (not real PageRank) in October 2007.  ASPAlliance.com, a well-respected developer site (IMHO) with a ton of content, was dropped from a TBPR of 7 earlier this month (which it's had forever) down to a 4 (ouch!).  Apparently this is shared by Forbes.com - hardly nefarious black-hat sites here.  Based on a variety of sources, the issue seems to be that the site has a few sponsored links to relevant related content, such as ASP.NET shopping cart and charting controls and web hosting.  Sadly, Google is strong-arming publishers into compliance with this action, which for ASPAlliance at least will require us to cease using sponsored links as a means to support the site (which actually spends more on hosting and content than it makes in advertising, most months).  The nice thing about these text links, for our users, is that they were not as imposing as many of the larger ad formats. 

Note that I'm not suggesting that Google is doing anything unethical or wrong - they're free to use whatever algorithm they want for their PageRank.  But given their market dominance and monopolistic position (and the fact that the majority of traffic to ASPAlliance and most other dev content sites comes from their search engine), I can ill afford to get on their bad side, as it were.  And for others (fortunately not me), this is likely a huge loss to their core business.

Published Monday, October 29, 2007 5:03 PM by ssmith
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# re: Google PageRank Deductions

Steven,

It's not so much text link advertising as it is that the Googly-Bear wants to put a stop to the "Selling of PageRank" via the buying and selling of links.

For legitimate sites that have real content (like yours and mine) this can be a good thing.

Gotta love that Captcha - at least I can READ IT the first time!

Monday, October 29, 2007 6:27 PM by Peter Bromberg

# re: Google PageRank Deductions

Jill Whalen over at Rankings thinks that Google is sending a message to folks with paid links on their sites.  

http://www.highrankings.com/advisor/paid-link-smack/

In summary, her post says that this is a wake-up call to place rel="nofollow" into all paid advertisement anchor <a> links.  

AspAlliance.com seems to have rel="nofollow" in some places where it shouldn't be (in links to aspalliance blog entries) but not in other places where it should be (large graphic ad, side graphic ads, text links at bottom of home page, and what about "hosting spotlight" and "product spotlight" -- I'm guessing those are paid-for links also.

Monday, October 29, 2007 7:52 PM by carlcamera

# re: Google PageRank Deductions

Peter,

 That's all well and good, but it would be better if Google could improve their algorithm so that there wasn't the incentive to try and game the system that exists today.

Monday, October 29, 2007 8:39 PM by ssmith

# re: Google PageRank Deductions

Carl,

 Jill makes some good points.  The whole purpose of rel=nofollow was, I thought, to reduce blog comment spam, something for which it has abysmally failed.  As for general non-direct-link ads, there's little need for rel=nofollow on them since generally the links are generated by javascript and they go to a redirect page and so do not convey any PageRank value.  All of the image ads and "spotlight" ads on aspalliance follow this approach.

Monday, October 29, 2007 8:41 PM by ssmith

# re: Google PageRank Deductions

Steven, the purpose of rel=nofollow was to tell Google "don't count this link when computing page rank."  I can't comment on whether it has failed or not, but the incentive is certainly reduced because of it.  Now that folks can't get google juice for free via blogs, folks are buying it disguised as 'ads'.  That's wrong.

The purpose of ads should not be page rank improvement -- it should be to draw prospective purchasers to a business site. If Aspalliance has quality content (and it does), then its sponsors will get quality traffic.  Page rank should not ever enter the equation for this traffic.

As for AspAlliance -- I had not noticed that the sponsored links were javascript injected.  Clever!  However, not all your direct image ads link to redirect pages (Microsoft Partner ad) and there are direct-linking non-js-injected text ads (Cheap Web Hosting - UK Hosting - Web Directory Submission et al) that do not have rel=nofollow.

I realize this hits home for someone like you who puts meals on his family's table, for the most part, because of ad sales.  My thinking follows this reasoning: if you have advertisers who purchase ads solely for page rank purposes, and if they choose to stop advertising, this will only improve the quality of the remaining content -- for you, your visitors, and your true ad clients.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:31 PM by carlcamera

# re: Google PageRank Deductions

how weird that http://www.coveryourasp.com, one of your member sites in the advertising alliance, still has PR5 (hasnt changed)..maybe next month..

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:13 PM by James Shaw

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